That and the page seems to be all measurements, rather than exact values.

Can BlakeMW or someone calculate exactly how much steam engine MW output a red belt of coal can sustain, based on the in-game tooltip of 26.67 items/s?

@BlakeMW: Could you calculate exactly how much steam engine MW output a max red belt throughput of coal should theoretically support? Because red belts have a max throughput of 40 items/s right? With how everything's a round number, 40 item/s, 60 boilers, coal being 8MJ and such, I still have a diff...

Okay. I'll cross 2) off then. Maybe it fits more as a suggestion instead then to tweak it slightly so it is a clean multiple - the buff would be minimal.

Edit: Just additionally mathematically confirmed 2) to be not a bug, good.

It's not just any round number though - yellow belts would be just short of the supplying the standard 30 boiler chain setup too. Since mine has twice the length, red belts fall just short of twice the standard. And with how Blake guessed there may be some floating point imprecision or whatnot, the ...

Provide a complete save file where 1) can be observed, 2) is not a bug. Scenario replaced with save file. Monitor boilers, then steam engines to see steam deplete. Is 2) intentionally set to be just 0.2-0.5 engine's worth of coal lower throughput than 120? If not, what would this issue be categoriz...

Hello, While updating my steam engine design for a big update to my thread, Optimized Steam Engine Setup , I have found two possible bugs: 1) Boilers can't seem to actually sustain steam output for 2 steam engines at max load. Whether it's in my 60 boiler, 120 engine setup or a basic 1 boiler, 2 eng...

@impetus Sigh, boilers and steam engines *don't produce/consume exactly 60/30 steam per second*, half my post was literally about that *facepalm* If you'd actually *READ* the convo Blake and I are having, you'd get it...and kek, 2 red belts, to load 1.02x a red belt's throughput? :lol: @Blake: I'll ...

The entire point is that it doesn't supply what it should supply, quit rolling your eyes and at least try to read. ._.

@impetus maximus: 100% what? A boiler can't keep up with 2 steam engines on max load. What are you talking about? Keep up with the thread, one of the emphases of this design since v1.2 was compatibility with very early game tech. Solid fuel ain't one. @BlakeMW: Yeah, dunno. Using the 120 steam engin...

Sup guys, been a while. Finally got the time to update this design (half a year later OTL), which I'm happy to say that I've worked out a way to double the steam engines per row, from the 2 rows of 30 to 2 rows of 60. Two things holding my update back though: 1) Boilers can't even sustain 2 steam en...

Thanks Aeternus and everyone for the information. I believe I have a promising idea for arranging the setup in a better way than the obvious 1:2 layout, and if it works, I'll optimize it and post the update. Will need to know more about steam turbines though, are they mid-late game or what, and are ...

So v0.15 changed how it works again eh. I'll look into this and make an update. Thanks for the notification. As I haven't played Factorio at all since v0.12, please let me know the following information: -Was the current steam engine build applicable up to .14? -Any quirks or unobvious bits of info ...

I looked at that picture long ago. Where is there anything about 200% pumps and 1 tile per pump? If you think artificial shore length doesn't count as shore length, you're totally missing the idea. Every pump is still taking the normal space. You really actually trying to say you got 200% pumps or s...

1 pump per tile? Picture please. What 200% pump, it outputs 2x more than normal?

Extending it to 30 is reducing wasted shore length. No, the point isn't to make it longer, it's to have more steam engines per row to reduce the amount of rows. If you use more steam engines per row it does become longer of course. Reduces it how? 15 already gets 100% shore usage. 30% gets 100% sho...

I said that since you're using the same shore length for both 30 and 15 engines per row (assuming same # of engines), there's no actual point extending engines per row beyond 15. Getting it to 15 was to reduce wasting shore length (to 0 in fact, if a straight shore), not to make it longer per row. A...

Yes, I referred to that in my section about long 1-wide strips of land. Which still has nothing to do with 30 engine rows. The underground rows do take space, but it's much more modularized and compact than trying to fit them in between the steam engines. Surely you noticed by now that underground p...

Whatever do you mean, you need the same amount of offshore pumps for x amount of steam engines. Arranging it in 30's isn't going to reduce how much shore you need any more than 15 will. But rearranging it in 15 DOES reduce how much shore you need compared to 10, which was the point. And I don't need...

If you use landfills and underground pipes to carry water to the halfway point, what's stopping me from just pasting a copy of the 1.5/21/15 design right next to the first one? Does the same thing without the extra piping and whatever you need in between to make 30 work.

And lel, 5000

Well yeah, I wouldn't fill entire lakes. I'd only straighten the edge of them. How many rows would you want post-launch anyways if 4's enough for launch? And speaking of, are you using Blake's method of underground piping water over to the middle to solve the water pressure problem? I'd need a map s...