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bobingabout wrote:Suggestion.

If you're changing the UI and such, do you think it could be possible to make it so the game doesn't crash when you try to look at the fuel inventory when fuel inventory size is set to 0.

ratchetfreak wrote:

Rseding91 wrote:

ratchetfreak wrote:Fuel count for one

or for a train going around resupplying outposts it can then decide to go back only if it is running low on a certain item

The train conditions are *wait* conditions. They determine when the train should leave the station. Not if the train should go to a station in the listing.

It would be nice if we could not go to a station depending on a condition (internal like fuel or possibly a circuit condition like not enough resources to bother to pick up)

The Phoenixian wrote:

ratchetfreak wrote:

Rseding91 wrote:

ratchetfreak wrote:Fuel count for one

or for a train going around resupplying outposts it can then decide to go back only if it is running low on a certain item

The train conditions are *wait* conditions. They determine when the train should leave the station. Not if the train should go to a station in the listing.

It would be nice if we could not go to a station depending on a condition (internal like fuel or possibly a circuit condition like not enough resources to bother to pick up)

Agreed. One of the things I do with trains, from time to time, is have a dedicated resupply train for repair packs, various replacement parts, and ammunition (Usually when I'm playing with landmines) Having a way to tell such a train to only visit a station when a low supply condition is met would be nice.

• Deactivatable stations - the station could be deactivated based on circuit condition. For the train it would be like it doesn't exist. I like this one, as it is very simple, the train will just have all of the supply stations in queue, (+ the home one). When all of them are deactivated, it does nothing, as it has just one station. Once some of the station needs something, it will activate itself, so the train can come.
• Stations that can override command. Station could have a conditon + Schedule command. Once the condition is satisfied, it would send the train in the station there no matter what. I dislike, that the train gui would need to show, that the current goal is not part of the schedule, but rather command of the station.

kovarex wrote:

The Phoenixian wrote: -snip-

There are more solutions that might be tried, both are not hard to program, but mainly the understandability by the user is the goal.

• Deactivatable stations - the station could be deactivated based on circuit condition. For the train it would be like it doesn't exist. I like this one, as it is very simple, the train will just have all of the supply stations in queue, (+ the home one). When all of them are deactivated, it does nothing, as it has just one station. Once some of the station needs something, it will activate itself, so the train can come.
• Stations that can override command. Station could have a conditon + Schedule command. Once the condition is satisfied, it would send the train in the station there no matter what. I dislike, that the train gui would need to show, that the current goal is not part of the schedule, but rather command of the station.

kovarex wrote:[...]

• Deactivatable stations - the station could be deactivated based on circuit condition. For the train it would be like it doesn't exist. I like this one, as it is very simple, the train will just have all of the supply stations in queue, (+ the home one). When all of them are deactivated, it does nothing, as it has just one station. Once some of the station needs something, it will activate itself, so the train can come.
• Stations that can override command. Station could have a conditon + Schedule command. Once the condition is satisfied, it would send the train in the station there no matter what. I dislike, that the train gui would need to show, that the current goal is not part of the schedule, but rather command of the station.

{Schedule A, 13 stops [expand]}
{Schedule B, 2 stops [collapse]}
   -> Station 1 (shown as usual)
   -> Station 9
Station 4 (this is a single stop schedule, no need to expand/collapse)

kovarex wrote:[*]Deactivatable stations - the station could be deactivated based on circuit condition. For the train it would be like it doesn't exist. I like this one, as it is very simple, the train will just have all of the supply stations in queue, (+ the home one). When all of them are deactivated, it does nothing, as it has just one station. Once some of the station needs something, it will activate itself, so the train can come.

Drury wrote:This wouldn't work for when you want one central refueling station for all trains. You would either activate it and all trains come for refuel, or deactivate it and nobody gets any fuel.

You can't just have a train go there for fuel when it needs it.

HulkingUnicorn wrote:

Drury wrote:This wouldn't work for when you want one central refueling station for all trains. You would either activate it and all trains come for refuel, or deactivate it and nobody gets any fuel.

You can't just have a train go there for fuel when it needs it.

The condition could have a locomotive-inventory/state check which would have different results for each train. I got the impression that the station could be active for some trains but inactive for others.

Rseding91 wrote:

HulkingUnicorn wrote:

Drury wrote:This wouldn't work for when you want one central refueling station for all trains. You would either activate it and all trains come for refuel, or deactivate it and nobody gets any fuel.

You can't just have a train go there for fuel when it needs it.

The condition could have a locomotive-inventory/state check which would have different results for each train. I got the impression that the station could be active for some trains but inactive for others.

Essentially "Go To Station Condition" as a counterpart to "Leave Station Condition" (that 0.13 has now) right?

Drury wrote:

Klonan wrote:FFFFF i got tricked!

I hope soon is very soon too

EDIT: That rail building is looking sexy, and the new UI too. It would be good if there was a conditional 'refuelling station' that the train would head to if its low on fuel, instead of requiring fuel at one of the stations on the schedule

OpenTTD has a thing for this, it's called "Conditional Order Jump" - an order that, when executed, checks the train's condition and decides whether to continue on to the next order, or rather skip to a specific order.

An instance of what the order window would look like for each order with this system in Factorio:

1. Refueling Station

Wait until:
Full refuel

Order Jumps:
Continue to order 2 (default order, you wouldn't have to set this in the window every time)

2. Iron Ore Mine

Wait until:
Timer 20 seconds
OR Full load Iron Ore

Order Jumps:
IF Timer 20 seconds Jump to order 4
ELSE Continue to order 3

3. Main Furnaces

Wait until:
No Cargo

Order Jumps:
IF Fuel in tank <10 Jump to order 1
ELSE Jump to order 2

4. Small Furnaces

Wait until:
No Cargo

Order Jumps:
IF Fuel in tank <10 Continue to order 1 (default jump for the last order in the order list)
ELSE Jump to order 2

bobingabout wrote:Suggestion.

If you're changing the UI and such, do you think it could be possible to make it so the game doesn't crash when you try to look at the fuel inventory when fuel inventory size is set to 0.

Greycode wrote:You want to know something I really want? A way to figure out which signal is preventing my train from running. Nothing is more annoying than building a railway, putting a train on it, and then it simply sets there with a no path message. Kinda need something to tell me what is not working, or at the very least get me within the same zipcode as the problem is.

voyta wrote:

Greycode wrote:You want to know something I really want? A way to figure out which signal is preventing my train from running. Nothing is more annoying than building a railway, putting a train on it, and then it simply sets there with a no path message. Kinda need something to tell me what is not working, or at the very least get me within the same zipcode as the problem is.

If you have anything but nontrivial network, it would probably have to read your mind to detect what you _wanted_ the signals to do, instead what you did. That's usually very hard problem, because people don't think uniformly as the machines do .

SHiRKiT wrote:Please add tooltips when a button is hovered for 1 second (or some time). This HELPS A LOT.